Dennis Kucinich and Guns and The Constitution by Patriots Speak Out ®©™

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by Patriots Speak Out ®©™
Nov. 17, 2007

I have heard and seen much right wing propaganda over this issue and I call it propaganda because of what I have found in the record. Over and over we are still being used and pumped with talking points so I decided to look at this issue myself as I am a legal gun owner and want my rights protected while at the same time I also want to make it difficult for criminals to acquire them.

This is what I found.

His Voting Record and Speeches on this issue. I will include a short passage from each statement with the link for you to read in its entirety.

Gun Issues Voting Record

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Trigger Lock Amendment N

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives N

Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill N

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act N

72 Hour Background Check Amendment Y

24 Hour Background Check Amendment N

Mandatory Gun Show Background Check Act N

Speeches and Public Statements

Speaker: Representative Dennis J. Kucinich (OH)
Title: Gun Laws, Gun Rights
Date: 2006-11-16
Speech
Gun Laws, Gun Rights
I support their right to their hobbies, and I support the right to bear arms. I have also talked with widows and children left fatherless due to the improper use of firearms, and I am committed to preventing such tragedies from happening.

Seems to be the Same Speech as above showing he has not flip flopped over the years.

Speaker: Representative Dennis J. Kucinich (OH)
Title: Position Paper: Gun Laws, Gun Rights, and Violence
Date: 0001-01-01
Speech
Gun Laws, Gun Rights, and Violence.

After reading all available information that is not opinion based I come to the conclusion that he would NOT revoke our rights according to the 2nd Amendment. That he is every bit a person that stands with our constitution and our rights granted by that document.


Securing Constitutional Democracy

A corrupt campaign finance system, coupled with vulnerable electronic voting have eroded America’s confidence in our elections. The USA Patriot Act and secret strategy meetings to set policy tear into the very concept of We the People. As President, Dennis will protect individual liberty and privacy and restore balance and fairness in America’s electoral system.Democracy can not flourish when the government shrouds itself in secrecy and citizens lose their privacy. It should be the other way around. For example, allowing Vice President Richard Cheney to meet with oil company executives before the Iraq War to study Iraq oil maps and then preventing the American people from examining those meetings is a clear abuse of executive privilege. The assertion by the White House of a chilling new doctrine know as the “Unitary Executive” should truly terrify us more than remote and inflated threats of terrorism. In fact, the U.S. government has not thwarted what one could call a serious terrorist threat in the last six years. Yet, a vague and remote fear has been used to manipulate the American people into giving up rights such as habeas corpus, “The Great Writ.” Fear has been used to rob the American people of rights won by the blood of patriots. Rights that withstood our epic battles against the Third Reich and the Japanese Empire. The United States does not elect kings.

Every candidate should review Clause 8 of Section 9 of the United States Constitution which reads: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

As many law professors have noted, the “Unitary Executive” allows the President to exercise unfettered powers previously only known to monarchs and dictators. This administration has claimed the right to jail, torture and then kill individuals with no judicial or legislative oversight. The administration has claimed the right to abridge or ignore laws passed by Congress with no judicial oversight through its use of “Signing Statements.”

As worrisome as these direct threats to democracy are, there is an even more troublesome threats to our Constitutional democracy: the politicization of the Justice Department. In political interference unseen since the Watergate Days, this administration has targeted loyal Republican U.S. Attorneys for replacement when they were not making enough political indictments.

Specifically, Republican prosecutors were replaced when they were not pushing bogus voter fraud cases in a clear attempt to drive down African American voter turnout. Interestingly, while voter fraud is an extremely, almost unknown, occurrence, voter intimidation and suppression are widespread yet consistently ignored by this politicized Justice Department.

Note that too often the Congress and other candidates for the Democratic nomination have been complicit in allowing these erosions of our liberties to take place. Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate to have voted against the Patriot Act. He did something the others should have: He actually read the bill just as he did the National Intelligence Estimate before the Iraq War vote. As a result he voted against the Patriot Act as well all the other right-robbing initiatives by this administration.

see

On The Issues: Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul by Lo

Dennis Kucinich’s replies @ 11-15-07 Dem. debate (video)

16 thoughts on “Dennis Kucinich and Guns and The Constitution by Patriots Speak Out ®©™

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  2. Your blogging strikes me melancholy with insight into the thick and sickly sweet ironies that surround the impeachment of bush.

    300,000,000 suckers let bush do all of this, and through inaction allowed all of this to happen. The identical amount of energy will be required to get anything accomplished in the arena of justice as bush, cheney and others around them are pursued.

    The only persons the American population might trust to prosecute bush and his gang members with the felony prosecutorial tools that are provided within the USA Patriot Act are those persons that voted against and stood against the passage of the USA Patriot Act and have stood against its continuing fortification through the passage of additional and continually growing amount of FISA law.

    The practice of providing false information on terrorism, the art of dissiminating fasle information on terrorism as a propaganda tool is terrorism.

    To violate the USA Patriot Act by providing false information on terrorism aids and abets terrorism. The most efficient and powerful law to prosecute bush is only palpable in the hands of those that are most terrified of the USA Patriot Act. So bittersweet and so, so brilliant.

    The only thing more brilliant than the creation of the USA Patriot Act and its implementation on the people of the United States of America would be to use the very same laws to prosecute those that are serial and conspiratoral violatiors of this law through the use of media and propaganda organs to provide and dissiminate false information on terrorism.

    It really is in plain sight.

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  4. The 2nd amendment protects a militia’s right to bear arms. If you’re part of a militia your right to bear arms is protected by the 2nd amendment. If you’re not in a militia then you’re not protected by the 2nd amendment. You can be sure the slaves weren’t allowed to bear arms. However if you’re not in a militia you can still use the 9th amendment to protect your individual right to bear arms. The 9th amendment says the enumeration of certain rights in the Constitution shall not be construed to deny others retained by the people.

  5. P.S. If you think there AREN’T powerful ties at the top, you may want to think again. It’s no small wonder that Blackwater got bilions in contracts both here and abroad, to use military force in New Orleans, for example… or that the Bush family is well invested and involved in Exxon. The auto manufacturers are in bed with U.S. petroleum companies… it’s all integrated, one scratching the other’s back. U.S. petroleum companies are the ones making us pay $3 a gallon at the pump, more than double what it was 2 years ago. This isn’t caused by crude prices. See how the prices go up at holidays (supposedly Supply & Demand, yet no station ever runs out of gas to sell) and they manage to lower the price of oil around election time? Consider the contributions made by big-buck companies to a politician’s campaign. Do you think the bribes are isolated to the few who have gotten caught?

    It may be Conspiracy Theory, but when there’s so much evidence to support it, it’s not nutcase to believe in it. What’s crazy is to believe our government would or could preclude such graft and corruption, when such is the stock and trade of politics.

  6. First off, thanks for the research. No, Kucinich hasn’t waffled or flip-flopped. And so far i don’t think he’d revoke the 2nd Amendment if he could. The man is a Constitutionalist.

    He does bring up valid points though. In earlier times, weapons were different, and people knew how to bear and wield them responsibly. When the Constitution was penned, you had to load the gunpowder and the lead, pack them, and wait til the powder ignited before the bullet left the muzzle of a rather long rifle. Today, any idiot can buy a concealable semi-automatic handgun or Uzi and unload scores of rounds on a schoolyard or street corner. Had times been as they are now, the Founding Fathers might well have added language about responsibility.

    Moreover, the intent of the 2nd Amendment was to provide the People with the ability to overthrow a tyrannical government. The guns we are allowed (and can afford) to buy today in no way match the firepower of a M-16 or a tank. Accordingly, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is largely lost to the disparity in military technology – technology which We The People paid for, which would most certainly be turned against us if we were to try to take back the government.

    I don’t believe the answer is to repeal the 2nd Amendment. I believe the answer is to learn to act responsibly with such power and to learn to be tolerant of our differences, to be willing to allow others the very same rights we want for ourselves. By returning to a mindset and character that was present in the times of the Founding Fathers, we can once again deserve such liberties as we have been guaranteed.

  7. Kucinich is the only democrat that voted against the patriot act…Ron Paul is the only republican that voted against it, so to say Kucinich is the ONLY is actually incorrect 🙂

  8. “The said Constitution be never construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. — Samuel Adams, during Massachusetts’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788).”

    “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution (1776).

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms.disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater . confidence than an armed man.” Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764

    “Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property . . . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.” Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War (1775).

    “The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.” Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution Proposed BV the Late Convention (1787).

    “Americans need not fear the federal government because they enjoy the advantage of being armed, which you possess over the people of almost every other nation.” James Madison.

    “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms .To preserve liberty it is essential that the WHOLE BODY OF PEOPLE always possess arms . . . ” Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters From the Federal Farmer 53 (1788).

    “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” George Mason, during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788).

    “Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” –James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46

    “Suppose that we let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal: still it would not be going to far to say that the State governments with the people at their side would be able to repel the danger…half a million citizens with arms in their hands” –James Madison, The Federalist Papers

    “False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crime.”–Cesare Beccaria, quoted by Thomas Jefferson

    “The right of the people to keep and bear…arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country…”–James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789.

    “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves…and include all men capable of bearing arms.” –Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Framer (1788) at p. 169

    “…to disarm the people – that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” — George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380.

    “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed – unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” –James Madison, The Federalist Papers No. 46 at 243-244.

    “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States”–Noah Webster in “An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution,” 1787, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at p. 56 (New York, 1888).

    “…but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights…” –Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist No. 29.

    “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” –Tench Coxe in `Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution’ under the Pseudonym “A Pennsylvanian” in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1.

    “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them.” –Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights, Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 (Univ. of Alabama Press,1975).

    “The great object is that every man be armed” and “everyone who is able may have a gun.” –Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,…taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond, 1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386

    “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.” –Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646

    “Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?” –Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836

    “The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8)

    “That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms…” –Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850).

    “A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.” –Thomas Jefferson, Encyclopedia of T. Jefferson, 318, Foley, Ed., reissued 1967.

    “The supposed quietude of a good mans allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside…Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them…” –Thomas Paine, I Writings of Thomas Paine at 56 (1894).

    “…the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms” –from article in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette June 18, 1789 at 2, col.2.

  9. In response to Andrew Austin’ statement:

    The Second Amendment is one of the most misunderstood of our rights (thanks in large measure to disinformation spread by the NRA and gun manufacturers).

    Misunderstood?

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

    Extremely simple to understand.

    Proper interpretation? And what is that?

    Our founding father, Thomas Jefferson, interpreted it quite clear, when he said:

    “The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms, is a last resort against tyranny in government.”

    Whether anyone is for or against gun ownership is beside the point.

    Anyone seeking to BAN GUNS is not a defender of the U.S. Constitution.

    End of story.

  10. In response to Patriots Speak Out ®©™ statement:

    “After reading all available information that is not opinion based I come to the conclusion that he would NOT revoke our rights according to the 2nd Amendment.”

    All available information? Uhmm…not quite.

    Posted below are excerpts taken from Dennis Kucinich’s website itself that specifically states:

    “Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) is proposing a comprehensive, three-point plan to deal with the violence plaguing America, including a BAN ON HANDGUNS.”

    “Kucinich is currently drafting legislation that would BAN the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians.”

    READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE HERE:

    http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=62819

    OH..one more thing? A “Constitutional Democracy”?? As lovely as that sounds, I am wondering what Constitution he is referring to, because it surely is not The United States of America’s.

    This country was NOT founded as a “Constitutional Democracy”. I can almost hear our founding fathers rolling over in their graves. Especially when they made numerous warnings against, what they called a horrible form of government: Democracy.

    “That he is every bit a person that stands with our constitution and our rights granted by that document.”

    NO..attempting to ban guns is a direct violation of the Second Amendment.

    Either you are FOR the Constitution or you are NOT.

    Unfortunately there is no inbetween.

  11. Revoking a right in the Constitution would require a constitutional amendment, so I don’t know why it deserves such attention in a president campaign unless the candidate were running on a party platform that sought to revoke that right, which no candidate is.

    However, understanding what the right is in the first place is essential for understanding the character of state (executive, judicial, and legislative) action concerning that right.

    In fact, the Second Amendment is not an unrestricted individual right to possess firearms. Rather, it is a right to collective self-defense, one that is inherently limited by Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution, which delineates the powers of Congress thusly:

    “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.”

    The text of the Second Amendment – to wit, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” – is to be interpreted in terms of Article 1, Section 8, which renders it’s meaning quite unambiguous, namely, that there is no individual right to keep and bear arms outside the context of a well-regulated militia (i.e., the National Guard).

    The Second Amendment is one of the most misunderstood of our rights (thanks in large measure to disinformation spread by the NRA and gun manufacturers). But the proper interpretation of the right makes it clear why the US Supreme Court upholds even the most restrictive gun laws.

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