Origins of America’s Cultural Divide – Religion part 1

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This video will deal with the Religion, the idealism and philosophy of the United States and specifically the clash of Natural Law and Divine Law before and after the Civil War and its impact it has on our society today.

Due to restraints I did not have time to leave the closing comments in Jefferson’s letter to John Holmes as mentioned in the video but its worth a read:

“I regret that I am now to die in the belief, that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776, to acquire self-government and happiness to their country, is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be, that I live not to weep over it. If they would but dispassionately weigh the blessings they will throw away, against an abstract principle more likely to be effected by union than by scission, they would pause before they would perpetrate this act of suicide on themselves, and of treason against the hopes of the world. To yourself, as the faithful advocate of the Union, I tender the offering of my high esteem and respect.”

You can read the entire letter here:

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founde…

From the cutting room floor, other quotes of Divine Law in the South regarding slavery:

“There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral.”

Rev. Alexander Campbell

“The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example.”

Rev. R. Furman

“The doom of Ham has been branded on the form and features of his African descendants. The hand of fate has united his color and destiny. Man cannot separate what God hath joined.”

United States Senator James Henry Hammond

This video is part 1, I got a lot more information and I will move along as quickly as possible, thanks for watching and I will have part 2 up as soon as possible.

Let me know if this topic is interesting to you and any input you might have on its content.

Peace,

Erik aka erkd1

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7 thoughts on “Origins of America’s Cultural Divide – Religion part 1

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  2. Arthur, the Bible tells people exactly how to conduct slavery.

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46

    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. Exodus 21:20-21

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free.

    And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
    Ephesians 6:5-9

    Property of slaves, punishment, who can be a slave…its all there in the How To book known as the Bible, and the South used it that way. Thats the cultural break between Divine Law and Natural Law.

  3. Also, I would take issue with the claim “The Bible not only permits slavery, its like a how-to book. It was a perfect fit. ” Actually, this is a distortion. The Bible records slavery happening. But it ALSO records the Exodus of Israel FROM slavery. It also records God constantly reminding Israel to treat people better than they were treated in Egypt. It also records several instances in which slaves were to be set free, which was vastly different from surrounding cultures.

    So in no way is it a “how-to” book. If anything, it’s a how-to get out of slavery when it becomes overly oppressive. I suggest you study the differences between the “slavery” of Biblical times and the African slave trade of American.

    It was by no means a “perfect fit,” as many of the people who tried to justify slaveholding based on the Bible were slammed on their bad interpretational skills by many other clergy (Rev. Theodore Weld, Rev. George Cheever, Rev. John G. Fee) during that time period. This you should look into as well.

  4. My focus was not on the video but the quotes themselves. I have seen these used on many atheist and secularist websites. The one from A. Campbell is misleading at best, and a misquote at worst. It gives the impression that he was pro-slavery, and that this stance was based on the Bible. But here’s the problem. Campbell was NOT pro-slavery.

    “Campbell declared himself against slavery, but separated himself from abolitionism.”
    http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=C013

    ” Mr. Campbell never was the champion of American slavery. He believed, however, that the relation of master and slave had existed in Biblical times under the divine sanction, or, at all events, tolerance, and while he did not desire to be regarded as the apolog[i]st of American slaver, he contended that it should not be a test question of communion in the Churches.”
    http://www.wvculture.org/hiStory/religion/campbell01.html

    Therefore, to use the above quote as if it was Campbell’s position advocating slavery is simply wrong. I have spent a number of hours reading both Campbell’s own words and works about him, and I know for a fact that the above quote misrepresents the man. If it is going to be used, this is not the way it should be used, especially without qualifying it by making it clear that he was NOT pro-slavery using the Bible as a basis.

    There may be plenty of ridiculous “clergy” who tried to argue that position, but Mr. Campbell was not one of them.

  5. Hi Arthur, thanks for checking out the video.

    As far as I know the quotes are accurate, but if you feel they are wrong then post the proof and I will at least put a correction in the information box. The quotes themselves are not the point of the video and there are many more just like them.

    The point of the video and is to highlight how the Southern States left the idealism of Natural Law and adopted Divine Law. All societies have a need to rationalize their motives, in America right now we (at least the White House) rationalize the act of torture as self defense. In the pre-Civil War South they rationalized slavery by the Bible.

    I debated how much information I needed to put into this and I opted to leave out the changes that the Confederates made to the Constitution for example. As the USA Constitution is “We the People…do ordain and establish” while the Confederate Constitution was ordained by “the favor and guidance of Almighty God”.

    The Bible not only permits slavery, its like a how-to book. It was a perfect fit. Other changes from the USA Constitution and the Confederate Constitution are obvious like the increased protection of ‘property rights’, as in slaves, as they were considered property in both the South and the Bible.

    There were also more nuanced changes which are very interesting like they CSA (Confederate States of America) banned the ability of the Federal CSA government on imposing tariffs nationwide, as they had no employment costs and little manufacturing or industrial base to protect, they found tariffs a infringement on their individual rights.

    Then they put in their Constitution that any state entering the CSA must allow slaves, while the pre-Civil War USA had a mix of both slave and free states and allowed each new state to chose, which led to the abolitionist Free Soil Party which later made up a part of the new Republican Party of Lincoln. The CSA Constitution allowed the slave trade between states, but made it Constitutionally illegal to import slaves from other countries. Slaves were bred and children of the slaves were separated from their parents and sold, making the slave owners a nice chunk of cash. They literally put in the Constitution a closed market of slave trade to protect their domestic product – free labor by slaves. Very ironic.

    Also each state made a ‘Letter of Succession’ to the United States telling it why they chose to succeed from the Union, these letters all state that slaves are property (certainly not born with inalienable rights as Natural Law promotes), it was a key issue of the CSA individual states to make this very clear.

    After the American Civil War (or any civil war for that matter) the problem is how to unify the nation after the military conflict. In the Reconstruction Era it was bad form to say it was based on the brutal practice of slavery, so they modified the position as one of economics. In the ever present law of unintended consequences, the South in turn then solidified their position it was a war of ‘Northern Aggression’ because the South still to this day feel like they had the right to succeed. I am going to address this issue in my next video, so hopefully you can check that out…when I get time to finish it…which should be soon 😉

  6. I would not be so quick to quote the alleged words of anti-slavery people like Rev. Alexander Campbell. I have yet to find a credible primary source for the quote above “There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral.”

    The same goes for the other alleged quotes. I suggest you check them, and if you can’t find primary sources, stop promoting them.

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