by Mike Whitney
Global Research, April 15, 2009
Interview of financial analyst Mike Morgan
Mike Morgan is a registered investment adviser and a scrappy shoot-from-the-hip guy who doesn’t mince his words. Recently Morgan has come under fire from investment giant Goldman Sachs for his hard-hitting web site “Facts about Goldman Sachs”. According to the U.K. Telegraph:
“Goldman Sachs is attempting to shut down a dissident blogger who is extremely critical of the investment bank, its board members and its practices. The bank has instructed Wall Street law firm Chadbourne & Parke to pursue blogger Mike Morgan, warning him in a recent cease-and-desist letter that he may face legal action if he does not close down his website.
According to Chadbourne & Parke’s letter, dated April 8, the bank is rattled because the site “violates several of Goldman Sachs’ intellectual property rights” and also “implies a relationship” with the bank itself.
Unsurprisingly for a man who has conjoined the bank’s name with the Number of the Beast – although he jokingly points out that 666 was also the S&P500’s bear-market bottom – Mr Morgan is unlikely to go down without a fight. He claims he has followed all legal requirements to own and operate the website – and that the header of the site clearly states that the content has not been approved by the bank.
On a special section of his blog entitled “Goldman Sachs vs Mike Morgan” he predicts that the fight will probably end up in court.
“It’s just another example of how a bully like Goldman Sachs tries to throw their weight around,” he writes.” (UK Telegraph)
Morgan agreed to answer a few questions about Goldman Sachs, the TARP and the ongoing financial crisis.
Mike Whitney: Is Goldman Sachs trying to shut down your web site?
Mike Morgan: Yes
MW: Why?
Morgan: The legal answer to that would be . . . you need to ask them the question. I would think it is because we are exposing the truth . . . and the truth hurts.
MW: Have you libeled them or published privileged information?
Mike Morgan: No.
MW: Could you tell us something about yourself so that readers can trust your criticism of G-Sax?
Morgan: I am 53 years old and believe all of the answers for how we should live are in the Bible…God gave David the choice of paying the consequences at the hands of David’s enemies or at the hand of God. David chose God’s consequences. Hank Paulson and the thousands of wicked men like him deserve the wrath of the millions of lives they have destroyed. We must go after the crooks and make them pay the consequences for their greed and the total disregard for anyone other than themselves. We need to start with Hank Paulson, who as CEO of Goldman Sachs, was more responsible than any 10 men combined, for the violent Depression we are about to enter.
MW: Why was G-Sax given $10 billion out of the TARP funds before federal regulators checked their books to see if they were solvent?
Morgan: Because King Henry (Henry Paulson) said so. As former CEO of Goldman Sachs, the last thing he wanted to see was a collapse of Goldman Sachs. And as Treasury Secretary with a big stick, he could do whatever he pleased . . . and he did.
MW: It was widely believed that most of the five biggest investment banks were leveraged 30 to 1. If that’s the case, then G-Sax probably would not have survived the downturn in the market without government assistance. Do you agree with this analysis?
Morgan: I agree.
MW: After Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros. defaulted, Merrill Lynch quickly sold out to Bank of America.
Morgan: Merrill was being run by John Thain, the former Goldman Sachs executive that helped Hank Paulson force out Jon Corzine who at the time was c–CEO with Paulson.
MW:That left Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley as the next likely candidates to be taken down by short sellers.
Morgan: Short seller are not the issue. If short sellers drive down a stock below market value, then it becomes an opportunity for anyone that thinks the stock is a buy to bury the shorts.
MW: This is when SEC chief Christopher Cox–who had never intervened in the market prior to this–put emergency rules in place to stop the short selling of financial institutions. What was Cox’s action all about?
Morgan: The SEC is toothless and I still don’t know why Cox is not in jail. He not only looked the other way on the Madoff issue, but since he left, the SEC has gone after more than a dozen scams. Are you going to tell me everything was fine three months ago on Chrissy Cox’s watch? No, but I can tell you there is much more to this story….As for the SEC and short sellers, that was King Henry. Period. Full Stop.
MW: Was this mainly an attempt by Washington elites to pull G-Sax’s bacon out of the fire?
Morgan: Goldman Sachs and other companies affiliated with Goldman Sachs. Kinda like the old MCI Friends and Family Program.
MW: Recently it was revealed that G-Sax had been paid more than $12 billion for credit default swaps (CDS) it held with insurance giant AIG. Financial institutions that buy these CDS know that they are accepting additional risk because they are unregulated and outside government oversight. That said, Treasury’s payoff to G-Sax on these CDS was equivalent to paying off a gambler’s losses at the race track. Why was G-Sax compensated for their CDS; why was it kept secret; and who authorized it?
Morgan: King Henry and his loyal lieutenant Neil Kashkari. Most people don’t realize, Neil Kashkari was King Henry’s lieutenant at Goldman Sachs. Neil is 35 years old with little experience other than being a very private executive assistant to King Henry when he was CEO of Goldman. Let’s ask ourselves . . . why exactly is Kashkari still on the job? Easy answer . . . because our President and Chris Dodd were both bought with Goldman Sachs’ money. These two men have received more money from Wall Street than any politician in the history of the United States. By the way, Obama was only around for two years, while Dodd was there for more than a decade. Obama received more money from Wall Street in two years than Dodd did in a decade.
MW: What is the nature of the relationship between G-Sax and the political establishment in Washington?
Morgan: If I answered that question I would need to increase the thickness of my Kevlar body suit.
MW: Why is Treasury a revolving door for investment bankers that are tied to Wall Street?
Morgan: Because the American public allows it. Benjamin Franklin said . . . Well done is better than well said. Too many Americans gripe and moan, but when it comes time to doing anything . . . they sit back on the couch with a bag of chips and the TV. We think it is cute to use the TV to amuse our toddlers. Do you think it is any different for 75 per cent of the American public?
MW: Are special interest groups dictating policy in the Obama White House?
Morgan: I can’t count that high. But if you just look at Wall Street and where the money came from, you will realize that Barack Hussein Obama is nothing more than a puppet of Wall Street.
MW: an article which appeared in The Atlantic Monthly, a former chief economist of the IMF, Simon Johnson, had this to say:
“The crash has laid bare many unpleasant truths about the United States… recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. And if we are to prevent a true depression we’re running out of time.”
Do you agree with Johnson that banks have a stranglehold on the political process and that “we are running out of time”? If so, how do we go about removing these people from office and replacing them with people who will operate in the public’s interest?
Morgan: First, I think guys like Simon Johnson are the guys that should be running the show. Simon along with William Black, Elizabeth Warren and Ron Paul. There are more, but if we had that trio at the helm, we’d be moving to a world of light, instead of a world of deep, violent darkness.
As to your question about how to remove these people from office, I believe it will be very violent . . . and very well deserved. We are two Biblical generations removed from the Great Depression of 1929. In 1969 we had race riots. We lost a true leader when we lost Martin Luther King, and the country paid the consequences. Here we are 40 years later . . . a Biblical generation, as we enter what I believe will be a period of violence beginning this summer. When you can’t feed your kids, and the folks at Goldman Sachs are sitting around the pool sipping cocktails and munching on snacks . . . that’s when those without go after those with.
The problem now is very simply . . . companies like Goldman Sachs created a financial system that was double stacked. One, they skimmed trillions of dollars out of our pension fund and other fiduciary money under their management. Two, like drug dealers they provided very creative financing to hundreds of millions of people around the world . . . which those folks can no longer afford to pay back. But the boys and girls and Goldman Sachs have already walked off with the money, leaving the people that bought the debt with little more than a piece of paper . . . and those that owe the debt, with the inability to ever pay it back.
MW: Will you fight Goldman in court?
Morgan: Yes. I’m prepared to fight them with several attorneys and law professors that are anxious to take this one on. I hope they do press the issue in court, but I kinda doubt it.
© Copyright Mike Whitney, Global Research, 2009
The url address of this article is: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13198
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A smattering of net polls out there show about high 60 to 70% approval for the way Obama is handling the economy. If these are to be believed, then that is a testament to the iron mind lock the TV press still exerts over the public. Things are simmering now, though we continue to see signs of mounting stress in all the weird episodes of violence in our big cities, (Philadelphia and Oakland cops,mini massacres etc.) Nobody is going to do shit until the shit starts hitting the fan in more widespread fashion, and I agree that this is more likely to boil over in the summertime. Labor’s line in the sand, the Employee Free Choice Act, is the real first test for Obama. Labor by nature, holds the blueprint for how to organize the US labor force. This is their big chance too. If they lie down and roll over like Ron Gettlefinger does for the UAW, then we all lose a great opportunity. The key to taking back America is organized labor. Let me say that again in case I haven’t made myself clear. The KEY to taking back America is organized labor. This doesn’t necessarily mean organized labor unions, but it could incorporate some of that. Workers have to find some way to organize fast and rebuild democratic structures within the unions that are now run like Sunday schools. When thousands more are thrown out of work, when millions more are made aware of the evil colossal real purpose of the financial bail outs, then we may have a significant counter movement. Rioting in the streets may likely happen, but then what?
The engine that drives America is you and me baby and our hard work. That stops, or has a big stroke or heart attack, and Wall St. will melt into the puke bucket that it really is. You can count on it. So Support the Employee Free Choice Act with your hearts your minds your souls, your blood your sweat your and your tears. Organize like it was a new religion.
Well said John P!
Lets keep in mind that if the economy did not collapse in September of 2008, we might have a President McCain. It was because the economy went into free fall before, not after, the election is a huge reason why we have a President Obama. Just like the FDR election, there comes a time when the shit does indeed hit the fan and people can no longer afford to vote their prejudices.
In the first quarter of 2008 the Fed was slashing interest rates, at times they did it three times within six weeks…that’s unheard of! When the typical rose colored glasses talk of a surging economy came from the White House with the additional talk of a economic stimulus package, I knew the shit already hit the fan and I made this video:
https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/history-of-republican-economic-malfeasance-video/
I made this as a general statement against Republican economic theory because I thought the collapse would occur in January after the December Christmas retail sales. I really believe they did too.
We really need to organize like you said, and we need to fight these pervasive memes like “free markets” especially when people start equating them to freedom itself.
Very good points, John, thank you.
Perhaps.
Certainly the paths of so-called ‘rightists’ and so-called ‘leftists’ cross (like somewhere in the butt-crease of the farthest extremes of both).
The problem, ‘the shoot yourself in the foot’ part about ‘rightists’, goes back to the origin of the ‘right’ and ‘left’. (yeah I’m a Wikipedia fan): The French ‘revolution’.
The ‘right’ represented the Aristocracy, the Left the Commoners.
How can you revolt against the Aristocrats if you’re against the Commoners?
My problem is that the so-called ‘right’ have been so successfully hyper-activist, while proven completely wrong for decades, using many of the tactics of the peace and social-justice activists of past ‘leftist’ times to espouse a ‘grass roots’ activism for all that denies progress of the non-aristocrats (i.e., the workers, the poor, the middle class, or 50% of the voters, as Zinn points out).
It’s a conundrum, an incongruity.
I’m sure Zinn and Chomsky are ever more confused as myself.
But as I posted about ‘What’s the Matter With Kansas’, Kansas was a watershed for socialist, radical anti-slavery and pro-worker activism, and it now ends up being a megalithic stalwart for the red-state right wing, the anti-socialists, the trickle-downers, creationists, the Palinites, the Reaganites, the very worst of the dark side.
As much as I’d love to see the coalition of workers right and left, I see these hardscrabble farmers and ‘Joe the Plumbers’ who promote the red-state ‘right’, as working entirely against their, and consequently our, best interest.
None of which would be so dramatic if it were a domestic issue, but it’s these people who kill millions in each of these aggressive, illegal wars against developing, recovering colonial nations of no threat to us.
They do this out of arrogance and hyper-nationalistic mass hypnosis. Over and over they are proven wrong, misguided, deranged, war criminals in their bogus nationalism and aggresive paranoia, yet they do it again and again, and will forever (God Bless Amerigaaah).
You can believe what you want, but if people get killed by your beliefs? No, not allowed (not even scripturally!).
How this happened is beyond me. Reagan? The NRA? Pat Robertson? It just makes no sense (but I’m tryin’ to crack the right-wing amerigoon code).
Zinn wanted, worked for, passionately advocated and fully had the right to expect, a socialist, community-based, progressive revolution where good government would be elected by people who saw the prior corruption, forestalled that corruption, and instead promoted the service of the furtherance of the people, not the MIC, not only the corps, not only the aristocracy.
Chomsky the same. They both promote in their speeches and talks the idea of civil action. These are leaders who saw glorious public action and demonstrations, and they saw that it once worked.
Their detractors instead see these ideas as having created the riots (in reaction to Kings Death), the welfare state (in reaction to Jim Crow and Slavery), and the recessions, and gay people, etc.
But somehow the hard won worker idealism of Zinn and Chomsky has been, like everything in the USA, coopted. Now we have ‘Tea Parties’ sponsored by ‘Fox News’ which has no qualms about coopting anything, and these people buy it! (Even Jones’ fear-mongering ‘git yer gun’ FEMA camps)
(BTW, is Murdoch part of the NWO? Is he a ‘Bilderberger’, since his decades of propaganda allowed so much of what they’re about?)
Zinn is clearly not pissed, Chomsky’s not pissed they are both brilliant realists but also idealists, and with good reason. They just keep encouraging people to compassionately and idealistically and intelligently organize, and seem so enriched by past organization which they once witnessed (like 40 years ago), that they are beyond bitterness at the Bush era’s detractors failure to act.
But I’m pissed (and Cindy Sheehan is DEFINITELY pissed, no relation, of course). And I think we all have a right to be. And it’s right to be pissed at the ‘right’ (A million dead in Iraq, hullo? Naaaah you goons don’t live that one down, everyon who voted Botch the second time, gets to go to Spain for complicity in WAR CRIMES).
The reaction by the ‘right’ (i.e. that which for whatever reason, regardless of self-interest or lack, violently espouses that which benefits the Aristocracy) was to follow in the footsteps of the televangelists, and to promote the politics of war and greed for quasi-moral/religious programmed ‘ideology’ (and what is evangelical born-again Christianity, but the quest to save one’s own soul at the expense of the non-believers? How selfish is that??).
This is the sole reason I’m so disturbed about ‘believers’. Had it been King, and the Catholic workers, and the Quakers, and Romero, I’d have been thrilled with the beneficence of religion.
Instead we got Hagee, and Zionists, and crazed cultists in mega-churches, who were followed like lemmings by faith-healed, tongue-speaking false-prophets in the millions, and who elected and sustained Reagan, attacked Clinton, and did two terms of Botch, and got seduced by a wink from Coulter & Palin. This is as bad as the Inquisitionists and the Conquistadors (also Christians all).
Unfortunately for the victims of these rightist’s brutal foreign wars, their blessed US government and precious constitution made the President’s role into ‘Commander in Chief’ of the horrific military they invented, and in each case it…. (well we need not regurgitate that part).
So I’m not trusting ANYTHING right wing, ANYTHING ‘quasi-christian’ or ANYTHING that needs a gun to feel ‘free’.
We have teachers, and preachers in our past, from Rev, King to Secular Progressives like Zinn and even brilliant wits like John Stewart.
We must hold fast to what is peaceful & progressive, and adamantly eschew that which is violent, nationalistic, militaristic and just plain backward, i.e. the republican right wing, the ‘conservatives’ whether ‘religious’, ‘cultural’, ‘political’ or ‘fiscal’.
The fact alone that they were able to combine all four of those incongruous ideologies above, into one hyper-activist unified political force for the deconstruction of all that was achieved for peace, justice and social progress prior is enough to make me say these ‘conservatives’ (or whatever they’d have you ‘believe’ they are) no part of any ‘change’ I wanna see, and I definitely don’t believe in it!
I don’t consider the right wing ‘activists’, I consider them a militaristic hoard of miscreants, motivated by anti-intellectual televangelists from FOX against all that would help the poor and the struggling and the under-class (they’ll tell you ‘but I work in a soup kitchen… while they vote in McCaine). And that is exactly what they would be proud to be considered.
There is no coalition. Not trying to channel Botch, but either you are ‘for’ peace, justice, and the rule of law, or you are a sociopath. And sociopath is too good of a term for those who bought into the Reagan revolution, who believe Billo, Hannity and the whole Limbaugh-loving cult of the ‘right wing’.
(Paulists? Well you can come, if you want, but only because Kucinich says so, but sit in the back row till you get over the friggin’ violent militia gun problem!)
Gumption.
Unfortunately Goldman just had a hugely profitable quarter, and is buying back the TARP so they can be free to pillage unsupervised yet again. Shoulda gone down the tubes like Merril and Lehman (I wanna see just what that 1.6 BN profit was based on, the Cliff’s Notes version, please, investment banks are the nuclear scientists of greed).
Wow, a biblical Sachs advisor/insider who lays it on the line. Good for him.
He’s telling us about darkest finance in terms of a plague-like biblical evil, because we can’t comprehend the vile volume of national theft in any other way.
The first thing Obomba should have done is ban any graduates of Goldman (grrrr…) Sachs.
It sure surprised me, but the street loved it. How after Paulson did we get Geithner?
Guess we’re too far into it to not have insiders on the team. More legacy of the Reagan/Bush/Clinton era of free finance run amok.
So… how long do we have before we ‘escape from NY’ when the violence of “that’s when those without go after those with” erupts? It’s lookin’ pretty quiet here downtown, just a buncha ‘sex in the City’ wannabe’s clacking around in their heels looking in dark store windows to see how photogenic they wish they were…
Not a lot of poor people anywhere near Wall Street, between Koch and Bloomberg, they all got shipped about as far out to the outer burros as possible.
I’d be interested if I saw any sign of anyone with any guts to go up against anyone else, but here in Manhattan they shopped our way through the Iraq War, this is just a summer off, back to the Hamptons with daddy, the fatcat escaped hedge-fund manager/pirate.
Outside of Detroit, this is the new story of inner-city america: Cougars that Lunch, collecting shoes & shopping bags, and texting on I-Phones while they strut.
But I’m waiting (not so) patiently for these revolutionaries!
This is why the workers of this country (and the world) need to unite regardless of political affiliation/differences on political issues. The powers-that-be (whoever they are) are delighting in the “divide and conquer” that is going on right now with the right vs the left. WE, the people must join together, putting our differences aside. It’s our country to take back!
Perhaps.
Certainly the paths of so-called ‘rightists’ and so-called ‘leftists’ cross (like somewhere in the butt-crease of the farthest of both).
The problem, ‘the shoot yourself in the foot’ part about ‘rightists’, goes back to the origin of the ‘right’ and ‘left’. (yeah I’m a Wikipedia fan): The French ‘revolution’.
The ‘right’ represented the Aristocracy, the Left the Commoners.
How can you revolt against the Aristocrats if you’re against the Commoners?
My problem is that the so-called ‘right’ have been so successfully hyper-activist, while proven completely wrong for decades, using many of the tactics of the peace and social-justice activists of past ‘leftist’ times to espouse a ‘grass roots’ activism for all that denies progress of the non-aristocrats (i.e., the workers, the poor, the middle class, or 50% of the voters, as Zinn points out).
It’s a conundrum, an incongruity.
I’m sure Zinn and Chomsky are ever more confused as myself.
But as I posted about ‘What’s the Matter With Kansas’, Kansas was a watershed for socialist, radical anti-slavery and pro-worker activism, and it now ends up being a megalithic stalwart for the red-state right wing, the anti-socialists, the trickle-downers, creationists, the Palinites, the Reaganites, the very worst of the dark side.
As much as I’d love to see the coalition of workers right and left, I see these hardscrabble farmers and ‘Joe the Plumbers’ who promote the red-state ‘right’, as working entirely against their, and consequently our, best interest.
None of which would be so dramatic if it were a domestic issue, but it’s these people who kill millions in each of these aggressive, illegal wars against developing, recovering colonial nations of no threat to us.
They do this out of arrogance and hyper-nationalistic mass hypnosis. Over and over they are proven wrong, misguided, deranged, war criminals in their bogus nationalism and aggresive paranoia, yet they do it again and again, and will forever (God Bless Amerigaaah).
You can believe what you want, but if people get killed by your beliefs? No, not allowed (not even scripturally!).
How this happened is beyond me. Reagan? The NRA? Pat Robertson? It just makes no sense (but I’m tryin’ to crack the right-wing amerigoon code).
Zinn wanted, worked for, passionately advocated and fully had the right to expect, a socialist, community-based, progressive revolution where good government would be elected by people who saw the prior corruption, forestalled that corruption, and instead promoted the service of the furtherance of the people, not the MIC, not only the corps, not only the aristocracy.
Chomsky the same. They both promote in their speeches and talks the idea of civil action. These are leaders who saw glorious public action and demonstrations, and they saw that it once worked.
Their detractors instead see these ideas as having created the riots (in reaction to Kings Death), the welfare state (in reaction to Jim Crow and Slavery), and the recessions, and gay people, etc.
But somehow the hard won worker idealism of Zinn and Chomsky has been, like everything in the USA, coopted. Now we have ‘Tea Parties’ sponsored by ‘Fox News’ which has no qualms about coopting anything, and these people buy it! (Even Jones’ fear-mongering ‘git yer gun’ FEMA camps)
(BTW, is Murdoch part of the NWO? Is he a ‘Bilderberger’, since his decades of propaganda allowed so much of what they’re about?)
Zinn is clearly not pissed, Chomsky’s not pissed they are both brilliant realists but also idealists, and with good reason. They just keep encouraging people to compassionately and idealistically and intelligently organize, and seem so enriched by past organization which they once witnessed (like 40 years ago), that they are beyond bitterness at the Bush era’s detractors failure to act.
But I’m pissed (and Cindy Sheehan is DEFINITELY pissed, no relation, of course). And I think we all have a right to be. And it’s right to be pissed at the ‘right’ (A million dead in Iraq, hullo? Naaaah you goons don’t live that one down, everyon who voted Botch the second time, gets to go to Spain for complicity in WAR CRIMES).
The reaction by the ‘right’ (i.e. that which for whatever reason, regardless of self-interest or lack, violently espouses that which benefits the Aristocracy) was to follow in the footsteps of the televangelists, and to promote the politics of war and greed for quasi-moral/religious programmed ‘ideology’ (and what is evangelical born-again Christianity, but the quest to save one’s own soul at the expense of the non-believers? How selfish is that??).
This is the sole reason I’m so disturbed about ‘believers’. Had it been King, and the Catholic workers, and the Quakers, and Romero, I’d have been thrilled with the beneficence of religion.
Instead we got Hagee, and Zionists, and crazed cultists in mega-churches, who were followed like lemmings by faith-healed, tongue-speaking false-prophets in the millions, and who elected and sustained Reagan, attacked Clinton, and did two terms of Botch, and got seduced by a wink from Coulter & Palin. This is as bad as the Inquisitionists and the Conquistadors (also Christians all).
Unfortunately for the victims of these rightist’s brutal foreign wars, their blessed US government and precious constitution made the President’s role into ‘Commander in Chief’ of the horrific military they invented, and in each case it…. (well we need not regurgitate that part).
So I’m not trusting ANYTHING right wing, ANYTHING ‘quasi-christian’ or ANYTHING that needs a gun to feel ‘free’.
We have teachers, and preachers in our past, from Rev, King to Secular Progressives like Zinn and even brilliant wits like John Stewart.
We must hold fast to what is peaceful & progressive, and adamantly eschew that which is violent, nationalistic, militaristic and just plain backward, i.e. the republican right wing, the ‘conservatives’ whether ‘religious’, ‘cultural’, ‘political’ or ‘fiscal’.
The fact alone that they were able to combine all four of those incongruous ideologies above, into one hyper-activist unified political force for the deconstruction of all that was achieved for peace, justice and social progress prior is enough to make me say these ‘conservatives’ (or whatever they’d have you ‘believe’ they are) no part of any ‘change’ I wanna see, and I definitely don’t believe in it!
I don’t consider the right wing ‘activists’, I consider them a militaristic hoard of miscreants, motivated by anti-intellectual televangelists from FOX against all that would help the poor and the struggling and the under-class (they’ll tell you ‘but I work in a soup kitchen… while they vote in McCaine). And that is exactly what they would be proud to be considered.
There is no coalition. Not trying to channel Botch, but either you are ‘for’ peace, justice, and the rule of law, or you are a sociopath. And sociopath is too good of a term for those who bought into the Reagan revolution, who believe Billo, Hannity and the whole Limbaugh-loving cult of the ‘right wing’.
(Paulists? Well you can come, if you want, but only because Kucinich says so, but sit in the back row till you get over the friggin’ violent militia gun problem!)
Please remember that many of those on the right are also anti-war, anti-imperialism.