Will Bin Laden’s Burial at Sea Wash? Or will it Float? by Sibel Edmonds

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Updated: May 3, 2011added 2 more articles

by Sibel Edmonds
Featured Writer
Dandelion Salad
Originally published by Boiling Frogs Post
May 2, 2011

A lot is happening and being discussed on the latest Bin Laden Killed development. It is way too early for a comprehensive analysis or even a short commentary. But …I can’t resist adding a ‘but’ here. A totally secret operation, only a few miles from Pakistan’s Islamabad, right under ISI’s nose; let’s call it a real quickie. Then, even quicker, supposedly in order not to offend the 24 hour deadline imposed by Islam, and to prevent shrine-ization, burial at sea. Just remember the televised full-coverage of Saddam, ok?  You’d think every effort would be placed on capturing Bin Laden alive, no? Gathering intelligence/information from the head of the Al Qaeda boogiemen, their supposed network, partners, cells, etc. Hmmmm. Or you’d think, based on historical examples, they’d make sensational videos-footage of the glorious fight, no?

Anyway, too much is happening, and of course too little attention is being paid by the government mouth piece, government PR machine- the US mainstream media. I’ll be reading, listening, watching, and more importantly, thinking…Stay tuned.

Osama Bin Laden Body Headed for Burial at Sea, Officials Say

To avoid that, an informed source tells me, the intention is to bury his body at sea — leaving no definitive location for the final resting place of his body.

A senior administration official tells my colleague Jake Tapper this about the body:  “We are ensuring it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. It’s something we take seriously and therefore it’s being handled in an appropriate manner.”


The Ratings Game …Or Something More Cynical?

by Sibel Edmonds
Featured Writer
Dandelion Salad
Originally published by Boiling Frogs Post
May 2, 2011

Timing Is Everything & There Are No Coincidences When…

I believe when it comes to DC dirty politics, when it comes to the new world order machine, and when it comes to US presidents, timing is everything and there are no such things as coincidences. The one billion dollar question always remains the same: what’s the real game-what’s the real deal. Considering the mainstream media’s sensationalism and propaganda tactics and their cemented role as an extension of the establishment, one must step back and take in the entire landscape, the context, connections, and of course the timing. Only after that, after putting the pieces together instead of dumbly staring at the images spread before us by the media, we have a chance to get a grasp of the reality-facts; or at least a chance to come up with real questions. Now, please help me make sense of some strange timing and coincidences in the latest developments:

5 days ago, on April 27, Obama released his infamous birth certificate after almost three years of adamant refusal (I for one could not care less, and was bewildered by the ridiculous hype!).

Yesterday Obama announced Bin Laden’s death as a result of some secret US military operations near Islamabad, and so far the evidence of his groundbreaking announcement has been either buried in the deep sea or obfuscation of mysterious relative detainees.

Today for the first time a sitting President-Obama and his wife will appear on the Oprah Winfrey Show for an hour long interview.

What’s the ‘real deal’ here? Are we looking at some souped-up PR campaign to repair long-slipping presidential approval rates? Is this a desperate and manic attempt for positioning in the next presidential elections 18 months away? You can never be cynical enough when it comes to dirty politics, so on that front:

Are these latest developments part of a preemptive operation to counter some ‘mysterious’ and soon to come embarrassing disclosure(s), a ready to break scandal, or a major government scandal?

Do they intend to use the recent staged developments to increase Obama’s chances in garnering higher public backing and support for a soon to come preemptive war, let’s say with Iran or Syria?

Okay, I am looking at these bewildering recent developments, and accordingly I am speculating. I invite you to join and add your interpretation and or speculations. What say you?


Vanity Fair: From Government Subscribers to Public Prescribers

by Sibel Edmonds
Featured Writer
Dandelion Salad
Originally published by Boiling Frogs Post
May 2, 2011

While on the ‘Tin-Foil Hat’ Topic, Let’s Remember Their Historical ‘Tin-Foil Hat’ Theories

Vanity Fair has declared war on anyone who dares to question the unanswered questions in the latest Bin Laden death development. Anyone. Doesn’t the least matter if the questions are completely rational. Doesn’t matter if the latest development leaves many unanswered questions and or unproved claims. It doesn’t matter. When the government is questioned, when the establishment is second-guessed, Vanity Fair comes running in defense of its masters by engaging in completely illogical offense. Now, the magazine is calling anyone with any questions or rational skepticism on the circumstances of Bin Laden’s death and burial at sea ‘Tin-Foil-Hat’ wearers. They have designated one bucket and are dropping everyone in it at the rate of 10000s per minute. This big bucket is reserved for: UFO believers, Birthers, Truthers, Taliban Sympathizers, Al Qaeda Sympathizers, terrorists, schizophrenic community, paranoid individuals, vegetarians… You see, it is a really big bucket:

With less than 24 hours on the clock since Osama bin Laden met his 72 virgins, the tin-foil-hat conspiracy brigade is out in full force on the Internet. I won’t provide links, as it only encourages these people, but the idiot speculation is both sad and unsurprising…

Osama bin Laden is dead. Alas, the same can’t be said for the Tin-Foil-Hat Brigade, who have put on their headgear and will continue merrily—and suspiciously—typing into the night.

You know how it is when crazy people view sane people as crazy? We have exactly the same phenomenon here: Vanity Fair, the same magazine that avidly sold the public the government’s Iraq WMD story- They subscribed to their masters crazy conspiracy, used their masters’ water-carriers such as Chalabi as their main sources, and they went about selling millions a purely fabricated conspiratorial story. You remember that, right? If not here it is: Click, and with David’s Rose’s honest confession and wise advice:

“Iraqi defectors tricked us with WMD lies, but we must not be fooled again.”

How about subscribing to their government sources’ conspiratorial lies and framing in the Anthrax case, and prescribing the conspiracy to millions of readers?

For Vanity Fair, a major Tin-Foil-Hat wearer when it comes to government conspiracy and lies, to come out so vehemently in defense of the hole-filled Bin Laden death story, and to label any critical thinker as a tin-foil-hat wearing nutcase, is quite telling. What do tin-foil-hat wearers see others as? RIGHT, you got it my friends!



More on Vanity Fair’s Bruce Feirstein

by Sibel Edmonds
Featured Writer
Dandelion Salad
Originally published by Boiling Frogs Post
May 3, 2011

Don’t Consider our Government’s Tainted Record & Don’t Dare to Question

My last post on Vanity Fair’s ‘Tin-Foil Hat’ article has gotten my friends at Vanity Fair very upset. Their interpretation of this piece is that I am putting down and attacking every single reporter or editor over there. That is simply not true. I was, and am, questioning the purpose, agenda, behind an irrational, ranting, and highly offensive propaganda piece written by one of their writers-Bruce Feirstein. I invite any expert or academic in journalism to take a look at Feirstein’s piece and tell me that what was written had even a shred of journalistic integrity. I’ll welcome all respect-worthy editorial authors to check this nonsensical babble and give it a grade, even those based on a trash and gossip reporting scale. And I invite any commonsensical reader to read it and rate it on a lack of rationality grading scale.

Look, I have not written a single piece on what really happened two days ago in Pakistan; because I don’t know and I don’t have all the details. I have not granted a single interview despite dozens of requests, because we only have a one paragraph official statement, and no details or even an explanatory context. It is too early. It is premature to either confirm the given story with one hundred percent certainty or counter or write it off with fact-supported confidence. It is too early. I can talk about the strange timing, absurdity of some mysterious burial at sea, questionable coincidences, and or our government’s pretty tainted record when it comes to facts: Remember Iraq’s WMD lies, Pentagon’s made-up script on Jessica Lynch, wrongfully accused Steven Hatfill, questionable Anthrax suspect Bruce Ivins, Niger Yellowcake fantasy

Now considering our government’s well-established tainted record in providing stories-fantasies, especially those released immediately and sensationally and those timed strangely, how could a rational thinking person consider a logical hesitancy as conspiratorial? How could an unbiased and untainted reporter write off the questioning of official stories (with a darn tainted historical record) as ‘tin-foil hat’ conspiracy? The writer in question has to be either extremely dim-witted – bordering moronic, or, journalistically challenged and ignorant, or, a propaganda agent at work. Then the questions are: why is this person, Bruce Feirstein, allowed to work for Vanity Fair – damaging its reputation, and or, why he was allowed by his editor(s) to run this obscure rant, and or why hasn’t Vanity Fair issued a retraction-apology and kicked this guy out.

As far as Vanity Fair goes, there’s been good, bad, excellent, and awful reporting, as is the case with all publications. After all, they published a daring piece on my case and the then Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert! I don’t personally know this ranting Bruce Feirstein or other way below substandard writers over there at Vanity Fair. I know a few good journalists and editors at Vanity Fair who I respect and like. I hope to see a deserved public response on this debacle from the good ladies and gentlemen at Vanity Fair, and I certainly hope to see measures taken to contain the ranting Mr. Feirstein; maybe they can put him in the archives room-just a suggestion.

When it comes to our government’s tainted record in truth-telling: Fool us once, shame on them, fool us twice shame on us, fool us three times shame on us, fool us four times shame on us…I believe you all catch my drift; no?


Media: Gratitude & Special Thanks to Torture & Black Sites

by Sibel Edmonds
Featured Writer
Dandelion Salad
Originally published by Boiling Frogs Post
May 3, 2011

Round Two in Bin Laden Death Publicity

The media spent the first two days of Bin Laden’s Death hailing and saluting the greatness of the Obama presidency. Bit by bit the White House PR script writers fed them Tom Clancy inspired bylines, each new bit more glorified than the previous one. Hollywood must be working on movies as I’m typing this post. Do they have to get any specific rights for this particular manuscript? Or is it considered free for all public info? Anyhow, now we are entering Chapter Two, Set Two, or Stage Two. Time to shine the spotlight on the other players: CIA Special Forces and maybe a few private contractors collectively known as Secret Kidnapping Torturers. You see, according to ‘ANONYMOUS’ government and White House sources, we have those black sites, the torturers and the brutal torture tactics to thank for Bin Laden’s action and mystery filled death and disappearance (aka secret burial at sea).

Obama’s buddy, his unofficial press secretary and favorite fundraiser, and the new queen of the AOL PR machine, has just released the second chapter of the Clancy-like manuscript-Glory, Glory Hallelujah, the Black Site Torturers Keep Marching on[emphasis are mine]:

In a secret CIA prison in Eastern Europe years ago, al-Qaida’s No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, gave authorities the nicknames of several of bin Laden’s couriers, four former U.S. intelligence officials said. Those names were among thousands of leads the CIA was pursuing.

One man became a particular interest for the agency when another detainee, Abu Faraj al-Libi, told interrogators that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed as al-Qaida’s operational leader he received the word through a courier. Only bin Laden would have given al-Libi that promotion, CIA officials believed.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA’s so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

“We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day,” said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.

As for Huffington’s wonderful source citation, journalistic work, we have the following declaration which says it all:

Then in the middle of last year, the courier had a telephone conversation with someone who was being monitored by U.S. intelligence, according to an American official, who like others interviewed for this story spoke only on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive operation.

Story continues below

I am going to place one of my famous bets again. I bet you no one will ever go after these particular anonymous sources from our intelligence agencies. You see, they are disclosing what they are told to disclose, and it wouldn’t make the tiniest difference how classified or sensitive the intentionally leaked information is. When the government has a PR mission and a polished script to go with it, releasing all sorts of ‘classified or sensitive’ intelligence is kosher. But may God help those who release information classified to cover up government criminality such as NSA illegal wiretapping.

Please go and read this Clancy-Like novella chapter at Huffington Post. Pay special attention to anonymous sourcing and glorified kidnap-torture methods meant to program unknowing Americans: Torture, assassination, illegal operations are all good when the end justifies the means. Hail to President Bush for starting those programs, and hail to President Obama for continuing them!!


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  8. First, our government reports that bin Laden was armed and returned fire,, now they say he did not shoot back, first they say he used a woman as a shield,, now they say that was not true,, WTF ?? Exasperated really,, these fellows cannot even get their story straight,,, was it really bin Laden ? Who the fuck knows. The picture of the Obama team watching it all take place from the seal “helmet cam” is slightly unreal isn’t it ? Odd isn’t it that Obama is selecting the number one military dude Petraeus, to take over as the CIA director at about the same time as bin Laden is whacked,,,,,? ? ? What I truly suspect is that Obama is really not in charge of our military at all ,, and that bin Laden was being kept in this compound for maximum political impact when we needed him the most ,,,, say,, yeah,, about right now,, when Obama was losing all support for our occupation of Afghanistan,,,,wow,, now this killing is supposed to make the 2 $ billion a week seem all justified,, this all seems like so much bullshit.
    Try this possible scenario ; The Pakky ISI captured Osama years ago,, the compound was built to hold him as an isolated prisoner ,, no possibility of escape,, now just about the time when no one had heard anything from OBL for years,, and just about the time that he was becoming a ghost from the past,, just about the time his value as a pawn on the world stage was beginning to diminish,,,, the cute little brown Pakky intel fellows make a deal with,, who knows who the deal was made with ?
    Was it a deal with the folks who really control the Pentagon ? Was it an intel group working privately for the oil companies ? But why right now ? What does the timing reveal ? For me,, I think the timing reveals that America has become so fucking tired of being jerked off by the mil/ind/oil fellows that we,, as a country,, were just about ready to begin a fucking revolution against the fucking wasteful insanity that has become our federal government. Yep,, just about ready to listen to a presidential candidate who would recommend the disabling of our D.C. centered “lobbybox” type of “pay for what you want” government,,, so,, here comes a little tasty morsel,, THE DEAD BIN LADEN !! WHOOOOOWEEE!
    So now,, shut up, and pipe down now,, we really do know what we are doing.
    If you ask me,, this is what I really suspect is happening. I think Barry is being fed little tid bits of tasty information,, being played just like a millionaire retarded kid in Vegas,, I don’t think he has a clue about how he is being played. I think bin Laden ,, well known to have been a CIA supported player and asset in running the Russians out of Afghanistan, has been an actor all along ,, I don’t mean acting on his own,, I mean a PAID ACTOR. His role finally ran out. He lost his audience attraction. He shot his last Hollywood load. Cameras pull back for the long shot of his compound,,, ( oh gee,, let’s covertly build a mansion style compound in the village where all the mil and intel retirees are living, and have no one notice ??) ,,,, let’s get a satellite picture too,, and now a few pictures of the blood spattered interior,, and PRESTO/CHANGO/ALIKAZAMM ,,, all of a sudden the American left and right has no more wind in their sails,, because we finally caught the bad guy .
    The timing makes me very suspicious.
    I think he was kept there, much like any speculator might keep a piece of property or a bar of gold,, just waiting for the price to peak,, and then sell ,, put it out on the market to the highest bidder.
    Did bin Laden choose to hide in that small town ? Was he promised security and protection by the Pakky ISI ? OBL had four wives and 24 or 25 children. Where are they ? He was a supposed kidney patient, needing dialysis for years. Was there any dialysis equipment at the compound? All these are questions of the most simple and basic nature.
    But here is an even better one. You’ll like this one.
    People in the business of trailing and watching people know that in the spook business it is very easy for a person to change their looks and alter characteristics ,, but one part of the body that is very difficult to alter is the ear. DNA evidence ? Fuck that.
    Years ago when I was honing my spy-like trade craft ,,, and martial arts skills,,( yes, I’m allowed to do that,, I’m schizophrenic,,),, I learned that the most foolproof way to identify a person was by using the shape of their ear.
    We have several good pictures of Osama,, and many good pictures of his ears. How about just comparing these pictures ? It is very difficult to surgically alter the shape of an ear without showing evidence of the surgery. See all these martial arts fighters with cauliflower ears ? Mighty ugly. So why don’t they get them fixed? Because they can’t !
    Want to convince me well that Osama was killed at that compound? Turn his head so that we cannot see the part where the bullet removed parts of his skull,, and take a good picture of his ear. Compare pictures,, WALLAH ! You have a positive ID .
    I certainly claim to be no genius. I just tried last week to take a practice LSAT test on the internet and gave up on the very first silly question ,, but ,,, these questions I am wondering about now are just the most basic common sense questions, that certainly should have been anticipated by the “best and the brightest” that our federal government has on our front lines of national security.
    The simple fact is this; we have been lied to so much, and so consistently, that common sense dictates that we now question everything our federal government tries to tell us. Not to do so would be a complete intellectual failure on our part.
    One more brief point. The same seal team that rescued to Maersk Sea captain is said to have whacked Osama. The open ocean ship to ship rifle shot that made this possible was a world class shot,, simply incredible marksmanship. Now imagine this,, one of our most lethal soldiers,, covered from head to toe in the finest bullet proof covering,, is looking at bin Laden standing behind a woman,, ( are either one of them armed ? Is he looking down the barrel of a gun pointed at him? NO . We learn now that he was UNARMED.),, he is a great shot I think it is very safe to assume,, he can choose his shot,,, shoot high and hit OBL in the head, risking the life of the woman and OBL, or he can shoot low, and incapacitate both of them with leg shots. He chose to shoot high. No prolonged trial,, no examination of the evidence. What were his orders before he exited the helicopter? Capture if possible? Whack out at all costs ?
    I suspect his orders were to kill on sight. Did he kill an unarmed man? Yes, he did. Not even Myrtle Beach cops get away with this ,, well,, at least not very often.
    We are a democracy ,, a supposed open society . Obama promised transparency.
    Are we entitled to know the details of this special operation ? Well,, I for one think that we are very entitled to this information. And most especially entitled to this information after we have been asked to swallow every piece of bullshit our federal government has tried to shove down our throats for the last ten years. I think Saddam should have been transported to the Hague and tried as an international criminal there,, and I think OBL should have been taken to the Hague to stand trial there, in an international criminal court. I wish that seal on Sunday would have taken his rifle butt and smashed the woman in the gut, and then smashed OBL in the gut, and then handcuffed him and put him in that helicopter. A live body takes up no more space than a dead one.
    What we did on Sunday could have come right out of the OBL playbook. We made him a brave martyr,, we blew his head apart,, and once again,, we killed another son of a muslim man, and shot his wife. Soldiers this expert at shooting, can take people down all day long without killing them. For shooters like these, leg shots are a piece of cake. In fact the wife received a shot to the leg,, but bin Laden, unarmed, got a bullet to the brain.
    And how about releasing the pictures of a dead Bin Laden ? All I will say is this; get on the internet, and watch a video of innocent men and women jumping to their deaths from the twin towers on 9-11 ,, and then you tell me if you think those families should be able to see a picture of the dead bin Laden .
    For the die hard conspiracy folks ,,, did OBL really mastermind 9-11 ?
    One thing very certain right now , is that evidence will never be heard in any courtroom to ever prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt ,, and this to me,, is another intelligence and special operations failure. If there was a way to have captured him without losing a special operations soldier in the process,, I would have preferred to see it happen like that.
    If that seal shot an unarmed man and woman on Sunday, while he was covered head to toe in the finest bullet proof clothing,, then I would say he did a fine job as an assassin ,, perhaps only he will ever know the real story.
    Transparency ? You gotta be shitting me .
    So what were the first reports our federal government was giving out ? Were they lies, or were they just evidence that not very many people really know what is going on ?
    Today, the revised federal government report is that Osama bin Laden was unarmed as he was shot in the head. I know I was not there,, I don’t know what I might have done,, I might have shot right through the woman twenty times to hit him.
    I just think a captured bin Laden, asked in a court of law to intellectually defend his terrorist techniques of killing innocent people, would have been a preferred scenario. I wish he could have been asked to defend his twisted view of the Koran.
    Still, my hat is off to the brave fellows who hopped on those helicopters, not knowing if they would ever return home ,, to help make this world a safer place.
    At least one thing future terrorists will be sure of; they can’t trust the Pakistanis to keep them safe forever.
    A few more billion to Pakistan in a foreign aid package ? Please ,, not with my money sirs. I say bring that brave seal home and send him down to Mexico to start dispatching a few hundred drug cartel members. This would be money well spent.
    And one more thing. The next time you go into a fancy restaurant and tip your 25 year old waiter fifty bucks,, ask HIM to piss into a cup to make sure that fifty bucks isn’t just going into the pockets of the Mexican drug cartels. Somebody around here sure is buying a shitload of cocaine and heroin ,, and it ain’t me. Peace . Shea ( my apologies to the sensitive, for my off color language today.)

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