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From ABC’s This Week, broadcast on October 28, 2007
George Will: McCain is ‘yesterday’s maverick’ compared to Ron Paul
“Ron Paul is actually a true conservative,” commented Will’s fellow panelist, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman. “He wants to eliminate Social Security*. He want to go back on the gold standard*. He’s the real thing
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*Ron Paul will not just eliminate Social Security and the Federal Reserve. As for Social Security, it will be a phase out/opt out scenario, and those currently on SS will not be dropped. As for the Federal Reserve, there will be a competing currency, and the Fed will be phased out by the competition of the competing currency.
These changes would take place over a number of years, or perhaps longer.
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George Will: McCain is ‘yesterday’s maverick’ compared to Ron Paul
Dandelion Salad 
to Andrew Austin:
Are you retarded or just an oxygen thief?! There is no Social Security money…it’s gone; it’s all spent, & that’s every single year – for several decades. The Government lies & tells us there’s a surplus, fudges their accounting numbers & then takes out massive loans from China to pay for Social Security benefits & to fund WAR! We are selling our children & grand children’s lives into slavery to PAY for our short-sighted, wasteful, reckless, & selfish lives. Not only will they/do we pay to subsidise far too many, but it’s for people receiving benefits, & the interest on the loans. Over the next 15+ years these costs bankrupt our country!!! We CUT fundig for education & veterans benefits over here to fund more war over there! We could kick the oil addiction, innovate, lead the world again, end the war, bring the troops home, secure our borders, & still have enough money to pay off our deficit, invest in America, & start paying down all these loans.
Inflation is a joke! The Government prints up new money & loans it to banks to spurn economic growth…that in trun makes each dollar worth less each day (& is trading at a 30 year low) – the low & middle classes are squeezed right out of their buying power & thus wealth. It is a mechanism to redistribute our wealth & give it to them! Then the American People also finance the bank bailouts when these profit greedy lenders take on too many risky mortgages & lose a ton of money…more of our money taken illegally from us to help a business & shareholders continue operations.
Health care should be near free & not for profit. Insurance has destroyed the patient-doctor relationship by forcing only to see providers within our HMO network. I should be able to go to see who I want for the same price as their “preferred” network. The Government & thus our People should have a vested interest in everyone being healthy, well adjusted, educated, & pursuing their life’s dream for an occupation. Where are the safe food laws & medicine bans?! For that matter, we cannot even keep poisonous lead-painted toys out of our childrens hands.
They want to keep us all dependent on these entitlement systems & social subsidies. When we subsidise something we get more of it.
This country is an empire in serious decline my friends, & foolish folks like Andrew are the reason we allowed Bush to STEAL the Presidency & take us down this dark path!
Ron Paul 2008!
Refering to social security as moral is absurd. An extortion racket robbing one generation to fund the retirement of another is morally absurd. The parasites who voted for the system in the beginning are mostly dead now. The money that was collected was spent long ago. The aging parasites who now want “us” to take care of “our” workers are….aging parasites.
Ron Paul has proposed that the system be phased out in a humane and gradual manner. That is absolutly the moral solution. A “universal guarantee” is immoral because it necessarily requires an extortion racket. No humans, except for small children, have a right to what other humans have to produce. To believe otherwise is to believe in slavery.
Good one, Lo.
Krugman, like most corporate media tools, badly misrepresents Ron Paul’s position on SS, and your guest, Andrew Austin, parrots the smear. But I’m glad to see that you added the following facts to your post.
“Ron Paul will not just eliminate Social Security and the Federal Reserve. As for Social Security, it will be a phase out/opt out scenario, and those currently on SS will not be dropped. As for the Federal Reserve, there will be a competing currency, and the Fed will be phased out by the competition of the competing currency.”
Good evening, Andrew.
For Ron Paul’s actual position on SS, go to http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=11
There, you’ll find such speeches, essays, and House proposals as:
Keeping Promises to Seniors
Introduction of the Social Security
Preservation Act
Stop Taxing Social Security Benefits!
If you’re in favor of taxing SS benefits and taking money out of the fund to be spent on other federal programs and senseless war efforts, then Ron Paul is not your man; but, if you’re in favor of preserving the integrity of SS, then you owe it to yourself to take a closer look at the man’s actual positions on the matter.
As far as your statement about him not being libertarian, well… lol… I’m sure you don’t really mean that. If you actually did mean what you said, then never mind this response, because it’s no use discussing these things seriously with someone determined to defy logic in order to get an otherwise ineffectual partisan smear to stick.
And you’re correct about him being a conservative; he’s about as truly conservative as anyone in Congress. But that doesn’t mean he’s willing to impose those views upon us from the federal level. Indeed, quite the opposite is true; which is why he’s also the most libertarian candidate running — Rep or Dem.
And there’s nothing wrong with promoting socialist programs and other partisan/ideological views — it’s your right — but must reality be so drastically contorted to that end?
With all due regards,
–DT
it is completely immoral and unfair to ask a shrinking working force (namely, my generation, the twentysomethings) to pay higher taxes and work longer hours so the baby boomers can retire in luxury.
you should have saved up for your own retirement. i’m saving up for mine, like every responsible person should.
economists were warning us about this when social security was first introduced decades ago. but as with most of these well-intentioned social programs, it has just become another bankrupt spending liability.
regardless, you will get your way, because paul would close down all our military bases overseas and advocate a strict noninterventionist foreign policy that will kill the military industrial compelx as we know it, so we can funnel the billions into the pet program of your choice.
-b-
Krugman is right. Paul is a conservative. He’s no libertarian.
Paul’s proposal on Social Security makes the elimination of the system inevitable. It is silly to talk about Paul destroying Social Security over time. It makes no difference. He wants to break the oath we as an upright moral people have sworn to guarantee workers in the country an independent life after work.
Social Security is a universal guaranteed pension and it must never be destroyed. Any candidate who talks about eliminating social security must be eliminated as a possible choice because s/he is fundamentally anti-worker and therefore entirely unacceptable to lead the people.