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Found another debunking of the film Zeitgeist, he goes into all 3 parts: Debunked: Zeitgeist – Parts I, II and III ~ Lo
Here’s the latest version of Zeitgeist: Zeitgeist, The Movie – Remastered/Final Edition
1 hr 30 min 42 sec – 2007-12-19
Zeitgeist Refuted OLD VERSION
Elliott Nesch on Jun 19, 2009
Even secular scholars have rejected the idea of Christianity borrowing from the ancient mysteries. The well-respected Sir Edward Evans-Pritchard writes in Theories of Primitive Religion that “The evidence for this theory… is negligible.”
“The first real parallel of a dying and rising god does not appear until A.D. 150, more than a hundred years after the origin of Christianity. So if there was any influence of one on the other, it was the influence of the historical event of the New Testament [resurrection] on mythology, not the reverse. The only known account of a god surviving death that predates Christianity is the Egyptian cult god Osiris. In this myth, Osiris is cut into fourteen pieces, scattered around Egypt, then reassembled and brought back to life by the goddess Isis. However, Osiris does not actually come back to physical life but becomes a member of a shadowy underworld…This is far different than Jesus’ resurrection account where he was the gloriously risen Prince of life who was seen by others on earth before his ascension into heaven.” –Dr. Norman Geisler
“Not one clear case of any alleged resurrection teaching appears in any pagan text before the late second century A.D., almost one hundred years after the New Testament was written.” –Dr. Gary Habermas
This film refutes the following claims made in the film Zeitgeist: -Christianity was borrowed from pagan myths? -The Bible was plagiarized? -Jesus wasn’t a historical figure? -Christianity was created for social control? -The Bible is based on astrology?
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Zeitgeist sources exposed, truth about the films agenda
JOSEPHUS: (37-101 A.D.)
Josephus was born in Jerusalem only four years after Jesus’ crucifixion. He was an eyewitness to much of what he recorded in the first century A.D. Josephus mentions many events and people from the Gospels. Josephus was an Orthodox Jew who was commissioned by the Romans to write a history of the Jewish people and Rome up until that point.
Mentions Jesus: Antiquities, Book 18, ch. 3, par. 3.
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
LETTER OF MARA BARSARAPION: (73 A.D.)
Mara Bar-Serapion was a Syrian who lived in the first century A.D. He wrote a letter to his son Serapion that mentions the Jews who killed their King. The letter is now in the possession of the British Museum.
“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”
Below are from what other secular writers mentioned of Jesus in their writings-
Jesus was a wise man and was called the Christ or Messiah, (Josephus)
Jesus gained many disciples from many nations, (Josephus)
He healed blind and lame people in Bethsaida and Bethany, (Julian the Apostate)
He was accused of practicing sorcery and leading Israel astray, (the Talmud)
Under Herod, and during the reign of Tiberius, Pontius Pilate condemned Christ to die, (Tacitus)
Christ was crucified on the eve of Passover, (the Talmud)
His crucifixion was accompanied by three hours of unexplained darkness, (Thallus)
Christ’s disciples, “reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive;”, (Josephus)
His disciples took to the habit of meeting on a fixed day of the week and took their name “Christians” from him, (Pliny)
They gave worship to Christ “as to a god”, (Pliny)
They bound themselves over to abstaining from wicked deeds, fraud, theft, adultery, and lying, (Pliny)
Christians held a contempt for death and were known for a voluntary self-devotion, (Lucian)
Christians believed themselves all brothers from the moment of their conversion, (Lucian)
Christians lived after Christ’s laws, (Lucian)
Christians were willingly tortured and even executed for their refusal to deny their belief in the resurrection and deity of Jesus Christ. (Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny, Lucian)
Zeitgeist on religion FALSE & Debunked
Zeitgeist on religion is full of half-truths, lies, and few truths. I will try to focus on the inaccuracies based off of the Old Testament. I have tried to show its a lie and debunked – but please do your own research too.
Sadly deceptive and convincing, but fraught with logical issues.
1). Bet Lechem is a real place.
2). The deities compared to Jesus are twisted or lies.
3). The number 12 may be in the Bible, but definitely not where they say.
4). Ages are only sourced one time in Job falsely.
5). Why the Golden Calf was a calf.
6). Explains why Egypt had 3 similar laws.
7). 4 characters similar to Moses either dont exist or come after. India, Greek etc…
8). Judaism has relatively nothing in common with the things they state about Egypt except circumcision etc….
Additional Notes: The Three Kings (Orions belt) are called that LONG after Jesus.
You can agree with the conclusions still, but the logic is fraught with lies and half-truths.
Added: August 14, 2007
From the archives:
Debunked: Zeitgeist – Parts I, II and III
Zeitgeist, The Movie – Remastered/Final Edition
The New World Order is Here! + ZEITGEIST, The Movie – Official Release – Full Film (videos)
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Alright people… here is my opinion, my perspective, take it only in that way… think for yourself… draw your own conclusions…
Enough with trying to debunk 911 – which is now a conspiracy. Conspiracies are events that have such diluted, contorted, conflicting facts that no agreeable judgment or ratification can be concluded because our system of proof relies on factual basis. Everyone is searching and comparing facts, running in circles of he said she said. Facts can’t successfully prove truth, truth is actually felt. Can we prove Jesus or other religious icons are real? Can we prove there are souls or spirits? Can we actually prove gravity (we really can’t, even though you think we can)? (For religious people, this might go against your beliefs and inner agreement system… but that’s ok, theres a time…) – So with all of that said, the only point I will draw is if there is one item that is not correct in the whole 911 situation, then the entire event is extremely questionable. A building that never suffered an impact or severe structural impact nicely (and almost planned) compacts to the ground… how does that happen? Theres your one thread of disbelief… the rest is history.
As for proving religious topics… Have you met jesus? Have you talked to horus. Forget about religion. For those of us that can think outside the box, religion is already debunked and has been for a long time. Sorry fellow religious people, please do not take this as any sort of personal attack. Don’t try to contest my opinion, as it is only a misuse of your energy and won’t have the effect you desire.
Zeitgeist’s point was to show the profit driven world we live in. We are acting on a “separated” mentality and not acting as a species. We are a part of nature. We are an organism (not going into depth). We need to act as one and for the benefit of one. Yes, these philosophies are Utopian, and to those who haven’t been “awakened” believe this concept is very unattainable. However, all I can say is it’s a matter of time. Go on with your beliefs and inner agreement systems, but life will unfold, things will happen, events will occur, and life will as nature does, change.
I write this only with the intent that maybe one person questions them self. I hope to reach one person. As long as I’ve done that, this was complete success of my time.
For the record, I live in a mountain and donate my time and energy towards helping humanity in this pivotal time we are entering. Learn to survive, get back to the basics… One day you might need it. My love goes out to everyone. If you let any of my message effect you negatively, my love and sorrow reaches out to you.
America, in god you trust indeed, but a side from that, are you well aware that your society is about to crumble, that the institutions you have for a goverment are corrupted, that your dollar is collapsed, that you will have to rely in canada and mexico to avoid being lost in financial oblivion, that your army is a real plage, that you will probably give birth to the anty-christ, that your own people is about to be involved in a genocide at the hands of your own army instructed by the old uncle sam, that 911 is a frawd…. and yet you care more about religion controversy
Blah Blah Blah
It Does not matter how historicaly accurate
any of the information provided is what matters
is the message. WHICH MOST OF YOU SEEM TO HAVE
TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT BY THE WAY!
Critical thinking was expressed at many points in the
movie what critical thinking implies is the abilty to take many sources of information and use them all to arrive at the most likely conclusion the last thing that was mentioned on zeitgeist was check it out for YOURSELF
don’t belive anything you hear think criticaly about things research and look into things for YOUR SELF
cross refrence etc etc…
FREE YOUR SELF FROM IGNORENCE!!!!
FOR ALL OUR SAKES WHILE THERES STILL A CHANCE>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Can I ask how you can debunk someones “perseption” of religon and the bible using the bible, not other forms of information that contain facts? Are you aware that there were hundreds of books written by different people and a select few got together ( a king and the group he gathered) to figure out which books to put together in order to keep peace amoung his people? Are you also aware that different books in the bible were omitted because they did not flow with the story line the way others did? I wonder if you know that the first edition was not taken by the people to well but so some books were removed and replaced with others? Research the making of the bible and tell me you can be %100 sure that you should put as much stock in it as you should.
In my opinion, Malachi’s comments make most sense.
It is a matter of perception and interpretation.
The History of Civilization or the history of Man on Earth or Man in the Universe has not been told with out the bias and perverted
perceptions and interpretations of men.
We have been lied to in so many ways.
Who was the Fater of Medicine?
Who was the Father of Mathmatics?
Who was the Father of history?
What were the Christian Crusades all about?
True History has not been told.One must seek the truth.
It didn’t began with the book of Genesis, did it?
If so what year was that?
Where was Moses educated?
I like to study the history of Man, without being prejudice,although
it’s not easy to do.